Promoting Bipartisanship In Crypto Policy with Kevin Harris, Senior Director at Crypto.com

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Our guest today is Kevin Harris, senior director at Crypto.com.

Now Kevin supports government affairs and stakeholder engagement across North America for Crypto.com.

Previously, he, like me, served as a presidential appointee in the Obama administration.

Kevin worked with the White House Office of Legislative Affairs, the White House Office of Urban Affairs, Office of the United States Trade Representative, the Office of the First Lady, as well as the Department of Housing.

Additionally, Kevin also served as a cabinet member advising two major US city mayors on topics like politics, policy, and strategy.

He has also served as executive director of the Congressional Black Caucus.

Kevin, my butterscotch king, welcome to The Get Down Beyond Bitcoin podcast.

We're so thrilled to have you.

Yes, I'm excited to be here and be on.

Uh, you know, I'm a big fan of everything that you do, so always, always exciting to get together and, and just kind of talk shop a little bit.

Oh my God, well, I'm excited for this conversation.

Our audience is in for a treat now.

There's a lot to unpack because just as I shared, you've had a storied career across policy, across, you know, state and federal, you know, political.

Affairs.

Now you went from Washington to crypto.

Let's talk about your policy footprint, right?

Obama administration, Congress.

Mhm.

Working at the state level, tell us about that journey.

Uh, so the journey for me it really started with, with, with politics and campaigns and, and journalism.

Uh, actually, I was a journalism major, uh, at Howard University.

So I did, yeah, I wrote a lot of articles, uh, and I only wanted to, to follow politics and an interest in politics is, is a big part of what drew me to Howard, uh, because I would get to be in, in Washington DC and I kind of shifted to politics because while I was in college, I got an internship with Hillary Clinton who was in the Senate at the time.

And that just kind of changed my perspective and I said I want that to be my career.

I didn't want to be an observer of sorts kind of reporting on politics.

I wanted to get in there in the arena and, and kind of fight a little bit.

Um, and so that got me going into campaigns and then the good thing about campaigns is a lot of times your folks win, they take you into government.

That's what happened for me in the Obama administration being on the campaign and then being able to go into the administration.

And over time, um, just kind of went from one office to the next, one role to the next, just building up a portfolio, uh, but for me, everything that I was doing was always about inclusion and equity, um, and being very committed to advancing, making sure people, particularly minorities, people of color, people who grew up how I grew up that they had a seat at the at the table and so that's really the through line through all the different things that I've done.

If you go back and you look at any of those roles, you will always see where there was some action that I got to take to be a part of to kind of help level the playing field and bring voices into the process that that weren't there before.

Wow.

Well, we've established that we are both fellow Obama alums and Howard alums.

HU.

No.

That's right.

Well, I love this through line that you've had, not just with policy and politics, but also being a policymaker, a decision maker, understanding how Washington works, and also having access to so many high profile players.

In comes crypto.

You bring all of this body of knowledge to crypto.

What was that journey?

What brought you into this side of the of the world?

So what brought me into it was I knew very little about it, um, and I like, I still like to say I'm, I'm still.

Learning.

I've been with the company 5 years now, so still learning, but knew very little about it.

But the person who recruited me to the company, I had worked with him before, um, and I was a big fan of his, and anything, uh, he's a great boss and so anything that he was a part of, I'm, I'm down to do it.

And so he, he called me up and he was asking me some questions about the Hill and I said to him, I said, this sounds like a, a, a job.

I'm, I'm, I'm not just gonna tell you these things for free, you should just hire me.

And he said, OK, fair enough.

But first I had to look up, well, what is a crypto.com?

Um.

I haven't even heard of it, but I looked up the company, read about its mission, read about the work, read about the space, and I like to go to spaces and opportunities where I don't know everything, where I'm actually not the expert in the room because I think that that's how you continue to grow and advance and mature.

And I found my home here.

I found an opportunity to be somewhat at the beginning in many ways of a, a new industry that's still growing and thriving.

Um, we're still crafting a lot of the frameworks, right, um, that will help to sort of guide this uh into the future and all of that excited me, right?

It was new.

It was an opportunity to be at the cutting edge and it It was an opportunity to do what I have been doing throughout my career, which is try to go into a new space and make the case for inclusion, uh, because one of the things that I always say, uh, when I'm meeting with folks and talking to folks is that we've already lived through a digital divide in this country.

Let's not have a digital assets divide.

So a lot of that I've been able to take into my work here at crypto.com.

Um, it's always been exciting on all of those fronts, learning something new, being a part of something new, but also making the case for inclusion.

Amazing.

So it's, it seems like, you know, a policy contact brought you into crypto, you know, and, and obviously on policy relationships matter, but you've been able to bring that body of knowledge and expertise. and definitely helped them to take to the next level, but also anchored in access.

Now for most of our audience, most people may not know what crypto.com does.

They've seen crypto.com because of Crypto.com Arena.

So it flashes on movies when the arena pops up, so.

Tell us a bit about, you know, how the last 5 years about, you know, crypto.com.

What have you enjoyed most?

What has been, you mentioned, you know, still early.

This is still a future of Frontier.

So tell us, you know, I'm sure our audience is wondering from that transition, how are you enjoying it?

I enjoy it, uh, a great deal.

I, I think it's probably the, the.

Most fun job.

I've ever had, definitely in the, in the private sector.

I think the best job I've ever had in politics is still being a, a, a deputy mayor.

Um, that, that's fun.

It's stressful, um, but it's a lot of fun, but crypto.com is pretty close and the last 5 years have been exciting because we've grown quite a bit to become one of the top leading exchanges.

I've been able to be a part of not only our growth here in the United States but also helping.

Us to grow across North America as well, being able to, to do work in Canada as an example and all throughout the Americas and then in all 50 states as well where different issues pop up and so there's never a dull day.

My favorite part about it really is educating people, right?

A lot of policymakers are still themselves getting up to speed on the space and being able to have a seat at the table to help shape and.

Influence their thinking in terms of what should this look like, right?

Like how do we make sure that the US is competitive when it comes to digital assets, but also how do we make sure that there's accountability across the industry too, because there are a lot of bad actors who do not want to run legitimate companies and enterprises.

So how do we make sure that we're protecting consumers, keeping the knuckleheads out, and making sure that the United States is a place where The industry can continue to grow and to thrive.

And so as we've grown as a company with our success, that's also given us a bigger seat and a bigger voice at the table, and I get to carry that into the halls of Congress, in state capitals all across the country every day.

And again, even with like a lot of our partnerships working with HBCUs and different things like that, always helping to make that that that case for inclusion and to show digital.

Assets and blockchain can be for the public good, should be for the public good, but it's incumbent upon us as stakeholders to ensure that viability of it and to ensure consumer protections and ensure that there's access and opportunity, right?

I'm very clear about that when I talk about underrepresented communities.

We're intentional about that.

I want them to not just be informed so that they are consumers in our industry.

We also want them to own.

Right, a piece of it as well, and we use our voice and our platform for that.

I love that, right, because you're talking about responsible innovation, right?

You're talking about transforming, you know, digital finance, but making sure it's accessible across the board and making sure that, you know, we're being accountable and so that definitely sounds like you've taken that whole deputy mayor hat to to this role now.

Let's go into policy a bit.

Let's talk about clarity.

You are one of the crypto industry executives who's working really hard with staffers on Capitol Hill, talking to regulators, trying to advance this piece of legislation that will actually help to provide the rules for market structure.

What does market structure look like?

Now this legislation I'm assuming it's, it's, you know, it's really important obviously I work on this as well.

I'm advocating for this, but it's part of a larger play, right?

You know it's important, but it's really just one piece of the puzzle.

So as you're on the hill doing education, engaging and thinking about clarity, where does it fit into that larger framework for me where it fits into that larger frame.

Framework is when we talk about, you know, access, inclusion, growing industry, we need to have clear rules, right?

And, and, and, and, and, and so that there's protects competitiveness, right, so that US companies, that companies that operate here can remain competitive, um, and also clear protections that are in place for consumers, right, because it shouldn't just be what we take upon ourselves as a, a, a private company, right?

We should have the full tools and the full weight of government as well, helping to be a watchdog and a cop on the beat, so to speak, to make sure that consumers are protected as well.

And once we have that level playing field that does both, that establishes how industry can grow while protecting consumers, that's how we get to bringing in even more people into the digital asset space.

That's, that's a critical part of achieving real inclusion and people need to see that, right?

Consumers need to be.

Able to see that so that they have trust in industry and they have trust in our category of business and market structure is a tool that helps us to be able to do that.

And so for me, market structure, access, competitiveness, expansion, all of it goes hand in hand, but a strong foundational piece of that is market structure.

It is the clarity Act and so I spent a lot of time here meeting with lawmakers.

Different agencies trying to, to help build some compromises, right, that helps us to get a bill in place.

Uh, it may not be perfect, right?

Nothing that, that's this big and complicated gives everybody everything that they want, but certainly where we are is we do have a product that, that can help to advance, uh, the sector and so we're optimistic, you know, we'll see where things ultimately land.

There's still some issues that are, that have to be worked through and talked.

Through and hopefully we can get there this Congress and if for some reason we can't, then we'll look at whatever other avenues we can go through to make sure that we achieve everything that we that we want to see achieved, but we want to continue to see growth, we want to continue to see expansion and it's a lot easier to do that with, with a market structure bill in place, um, but if not, as we've seen over the last several years, it's continuing to grow and so um we just.

Have to do everything we can on our end to make sure the appropriate guardrails are in place.

Well, you know, I love the way you put this, right, that you know policy is an exercise in compromise, right, and this piece of legislation is about finding that piece of compromise.

But also you said that the rules here matter.

They matter to provide the clarity to the industry but also to ensure US competitiveness.

But also to provide, you know, an understanding of how consumers are protected.

So, you know, continue the great work.

I know you know the legislative year we have 6 months done and 6 more months, but only about 40, you know, congressional days on the calendar.

So Correct.

The great thing is, you know, just like sports, once you think, you know, it's like, oh, it might not happen, things turn around.

Yeah, so, yeah, we saw a lot of that with the, uh, with the NBA Finals.

Anybody that was following that very closely, if you looked away for too long, uh, you might have missed the Knicks, uh, do some comebacks.

Uh, I certainly did.

I, I left the bar on one of those games and by the time I got home, I was like, wait, what?

They won?

What happened?

You know, so we could have, you know, a rally here as well, you know, I, I think that there's a core group that a bipartisan group that's been very diligent.

They've been.

Doing the work, right?

Doing what we would want our legislators to do, which is come to the table and try to work on problems, right, and solving problems and issues, and uh they've done a great deal of work on this for a period of time and we'll see, you know, we'll see what we're able to, to get, but for us, whether it's in place or not, you know, we, we continue to live by our values, to continue to grow and expand here in the United States and prioritize our customers.

Step by step, well, continue the great work you're doing, you know, as you said, engagement of policymakers, but also, you know, key federal agencies as well as key stakeholders as part of the work that you do.

You know, I, I am the executive director of Blockchain Foundation.

We've done a lot of work together with Blockchain Foundation and Crypto.com.

I'm excited about something we'll be doing this August.

This August, Crypto.com is coming together with, with, with Blockchain Foundation to host a policy house on Martha's Vineyard.

Salama Policy Institute has joined as a sponsor.

Now you know you do a lot of work.

You mentioned HBCUs.

You mentioned outreach.

Why is this level of engagement outside of Washington, outside of Capitol Hill, important?

Um, it's important because, I mean, that's how you, that's how you reach people, you know, that, that's where the people are, whether you're doing things that help to advance workforce development, that's where a lot of your talent is, um, and that's where a lot of your, that's where the consumers are, uh, and everybody owns a little piece of this, right?

I do a little, I do a lot of work, uh, with Attorneys generals, right, they're important to the process.

There are a number of state laws that are applicable here as well to industry that needs to be tended to.

Education needs to happen there as well.

And so you really gotta get out and what I love is having that sort of balance where my job encompasses the state and local and the federal, but being able. to have that full balanced perspective when I'm having conversations with a senator, I often know things about how legislation and perspectives of, of what's moving in their state.

So being able to have a comprehensive view of what's happening all around the country and carrying that into federal conversations and then carrying the federal conversations into what states are doing, it really does.

Help us as a company be able to keep our finger on the pulse of what's happening, um, what's moving, what the opportunities are, but also what needs to happen to shore up any, any issues that need to be addressed so that we can advance more adoption of cryptocurrency but also make sure that that's being done in an equitable way.

Amazing, you know, you talk about, you know, advancing this work on multiple fronts because you can't just do advanced policy on Capitol Hill.

You have to engage key stakeholders.

I love that you mentioned attorney generals, but also, you know, where some of these policymakers, you know, gather, and which is one of the reasons, you know, I don't want the audience to think, oh, we're just going to. ha ' s Vineyard, but every August, every August, not just Washington policymakers gather on the Vineyard, but also you mentioned the state work that you do.

Mayors gather there, state officials gather there, governors gather there.

So it's an important time to inject this policy conversation, which is why we're doing a policy house, why we're.

Bringing key folks to the table to talk about where we are on policy, but also bringing some of the issues that matter to key segments, key stakeholders, key constituents, so you know the work continues.

I'm looking, uh, forward to it.

Uh, actually my first chance, uh, that I ever came to the vineyard was because of you, uh, coming up there to, to be present and, and support some of the, the great work, uh, that you guys are doing, and it was incredible.

Uh, I loved that.

Yeah, it was such a great convening that you organized and you're right, there are folks there from all walks of life, uh, that are there engaging, right, on, on, on various issues and it's always funny and we're honored to, to be, uh, sponsors and, and partnering with you again this year, but you know, it's always funny because, you know, I have to get things like that approved and they're like, wait, you wanna go to and you're like, yeah, OK.

Like, no, serious, it's like a real thing because they're just thinking you just wanna go up there and party, and you just wanna expense it, but it's like, no, like no, I actually wanna, like there's work, man, that gets done there and that's certainly the case.

There's serious like conversations and it's nice to have a convenient like that outside of the Capitol and be able to kinda step back and look at things holistically and to have people engage and learn.

Uh, from trusted, uh, voices and be a resource and be able to just share with each other and, and, and talk about what you do know and the expertise you can bring to the table, but then also be in a safe space to say, look, I actually don't know the answer to that.

Can you help me?

Can you teach me?

How do your resources fit into this?

And so I think it's gonna be a great uh convening.

We're excited to partner with you on this and really help to advance the cause and the mission of growing access, um, to digital assets and a big part of that is we have to make sure people have an understanding.

Of what it is and a big thing for us is making sure that people understand how to safely engage and utilize with digital assets and be able to recognize what is reputable and what is not.

Absolutely, and you know, I'll tell our, our audience this is my 4th year doing a Martha's Vineyard event and I, I can't even remember one year where I actually got to go to the beach.

It's a lot of work doing events on the vineyard is very difficult.

But also, you know, we know that you know there are people who hear a lot of hype around blockchain and cryptocurrency who don't understand it but also who think that it's not for them, and I love the way you've been talking.

You've been talking about consumer protection, which is very different than financial inclusion, so you understand that both matter, but people have to feel that blockchain cryptocurrencies.

Accessible to them, right, they need to see it in their community centers.

They need to see it where they vacation and obviously we work at the intersection of policy and crypto, so we want to be where the policymakers are and can have a light conversation around, you know, crypto, and I think, you know, for the audience you've already shared that you enjoy working in crypto, but you know.

Can you do a little, you know, demystifying of the space for folks as well, because I think for a lot of folks they see crypto people and they think those people, right, they don't, they don't see them as part of their community, as people engaged in their workforce and their workplace, and this is a foundational technology, you know, similar to any others that have really.

Help everyday people, key stakeholders have a better state of life.

Correct, correct.

Well, what I often say to people, uh, I often remind them that, that, that's what FinTech is, right?

Like every, I don't, not necessarily every generation, it moves faster than that, but every generation of source, there's some new advancement, right, that happens within financial technology that helps to make You know, financial services more efficient and crypto is just the latest crypto and digital assets is just the latest iteration of that.

And one of my favorite things to do with groups is I remind them of things like a debit card, right?

There was a time where people said that's crazy.

You're going to put all your money on a card and walk around with it.

That's crazy.

Everybody got a debit card and now people don't even have debit cards.

They don't even have cash.

They just do Apple Pay, like they just pay, right on their phones or whatever the case may be.

There's always advancements that help to make things in financial services more efficient and what digital assets are though is that I don't think we've ever had the opportunity to not only just make things efficient.

But you can also make things a heck of a lot more equitable and accessible to people if they can, if they can just learn what it is and how to responsibly, uh, engage with it and I think about, you know, regular examples, we look at different things like, uh, remittances, right?

Especially I live in Florida.

You have a lot of, uh, communities here where folks need to send money back home and they need a, a, a fast, low-cost. way to be able to do that.

Digital assets are incredibly helpful for that, right?

In addition to uh my, my work here at crypto.com, I'm fortunate enough to also be a partner in a, in a small business.

I have a, a, a franchise.

Different things like impacting the cash flow of small business and you know, particularly with minority-owned small business, that's a huge challenge, right?

Digital assets helps to move all of that along.

A lot quicker and a lot faster and so what we have to do, I think as industry as a part of our education efforts is making sure that digital assets are a part of traditional financial literacy because this is going to become a more and more a part of the toolkit for folks as, as they, as they go on and the industry continues to mature, but we also gotta make sure that we're showing people those tangible examples, right, of, of how this can be.

A tool that you don't have to be afraid of it is going to make things more, more accessible and more efficient and remind people that this has always been the case.

There's always been some new advancement or evolution, right?

20 years ago, people weren't paying for things on their phones.

Now they can, right?

I remember talking to my mother.

I still think she doesn't do this.

My mom thinks it's crazy to pay your bills online.

She's still You know, them people gonna take all your information, you know, but like, but then that became like a, a, a part of it, right?

You know, my uncle is a, is a local tax collector and one of the things that uh he's a, he's older, he's in his 70s, and one of the things he was most proud of is that he helped.

Bring more of those services online so that it's more accessible to people so they don't have to come into the office.

So a lot of this is just reminding people that guys, we have always done this.

We've always been a country that encouraged innovation.

To be able to do things more efficiently, that is what blockchain and digital assets is.

It's just a new iteration of that.

But what excites me about it though is, again, it gives us the opportunity to do both, to be equitable in how we do this, and a lot of times that wasn't always the case, and, and, and we know that and hopefully we've learned.

From that and we don't repeat some of those same mistakes and a lot of that is what I bring into the work as well.

Oh my God, that for the audience, what you just heard is not just about democratization of finance, but also transforming society through efficiencies through optimization and that is the beauty of blockchain and crypto.

Currency, right, that is the beauty of this space.

So you know it's less about the hype, more about what we've been doing for so long, transforming society with technology and leveraging technological innovations to actually, you know, make the way we live and transact better now Kevin.

I have, before I go to a few wrap up questions, would love to give you an opportunity to share any milestones that you're proud of or any last points before we, we ask you a few fun questions.

Uh, I think milestones for me are really just being able to see our company grow.

Um, like I said, we've grown a lot in the 5 years or so that, um, that I've had the opportunity I've been fortunate enough to work with this, with the, uh, company, and there's so many pieces of legislation that we've been able to touch, so many productive conversations that we've been able to have to engage.

Reach partners and bring them into the, to the process and get them thinking and talking about um digital assets and I love the work that we've been able to do particularly with colleges and universities, especially HBCUs and helping to advance their education.

And understanding of digital assets and how they can both be consumers but also be a part of the workforce and entrepreneurs and within the space as well.

And so we've been able to do a lot of different partnerships that have really helped to spark that and that's been very rewarding.

For me, so there's not one thing, I think it's really all of it.

It's everything that I've been able to touch as a part of the company has been a milestone because all of that, I think, has helped to enhance our growth and our stature as a company and as a brand.

Wow.

Well, for our audience that only know Crypto.com Arena, you've definitely enlightened them a bit more about the mission and the vision for Crypto.com.

Now, I would love to hear a fun fact about you.

I know you mentioned that you're a small business owner, you know, Howard alum, Obama alum, any other fun facts audience should know about.

So nobody ever believes this, um, but it's OK.

I have the video to prove it.

So when I was younger, uh, I was a really good basketball, uh, player, and I went to camp and the chair of the camp that I went to that year was Michael Jordan, and, and, and we got to play at the end of the day, Mike would play one on one, with whoever some of the top players were.

So I was about 14, I wanna say 14, maybe 5 so I got the opportunity to play him one on one and I won and nobody, and, and rightfully so, no one believes that.

They're like, yeah, right.

And then I showed them the tape and yes, so a fun fact about me is I played Michael Jordan one on one in basketball and I beat him.

Now, you gotta unpack that a little bit, like how did you do that?

What helped me out tremendously is we only played till 3.

But it was his rules.

He picked it.

He picked it to 3.

It was his rules.

So even though we just went to 3, I won and it still counts because he picked the rules.

It was whatever he wanted to do and he lost and I beat him and uh so that's my fun fact and anybody that doesn't believe it, I got the video to prove it because you have to have the video to prove it if you're gonna tell that story.

Those people just think you're some kind of fool.

So, yes, I played Michael Jordan one on one and I beat him and being around him, you know, being around him and then being around, you know, the, the President Obama, like I've been able to be around a lot of uh greatness and just watch them and hear things from them and learn things from them that I definitely try to take into my life.

Um, and into my work, but that was not only one of the most, uh, interesting, I think, things that I could say that I did, it was one of the most pivotal because of just what it, uh, taught me about, about work and, and part of the reason I can walk up to any office, even if they're skeptical about crypto or I don't know, is because it's like, look man, if you can walk up to Michael Jordan and talk trash and then And score on him, you can go into his office and talk about crypto.

Love it for the audience, he beat Mike.

Now I'm sure some people are thinking he let you win.

You have the tape, you beat.

No, dude, he didn't care that we were kids.

He would dunk on us.

He was blocking our shots and everything else.

He didn't like Mike likes to win.

He don't care.

That you are a kid.

So no, he did not take it easy on us.

Now, I think had the game gone longer, I, I don't think I would have pulled it off, but I don't care.

He picked 3, that's what we agreed to, I won.

Oh my God, just like you said, you know, the Knicks just won a championship.

So one of the games was just they won by 1.

I was just like we.

When when it's a tough opponent, you could just win by one.

That's right, that's right, yeah.

Absolutely, absolutely.

Well, you know, for, for the audience, especially people who, you know, are new to crypto, I love that you stay humble, that you've been working at crypto.com for 5 years, and you still say you feel like you're still learning, you're still seeing it as a journey.

For those out there, what do you recommend for them as they're learning, as they're trying to figure out, you know, blockchain and cryptocurrency and what, what it means for them?

Do you have any recommendations for, for them to read, research?

Everything that Cleve does, you should read it, listen to it, uh, that's a great resource right there, a great trusted resource.

And then, you know, a, a lot of the resources I think are getting easier and easier to, to find.

You just go to reputable places, um, and so.

One of the things we have at Crypto.com that I love is we have Crypto.com University in our app and that's a great resource because no matter where you are in your digital assets journey, where you can be fairly advanced, there are resources there for you, but you could also be at the beginning.

And there are resources available as well to kinda help educate you, uh, explain the process to you, uh, explain how to use, uh, digital assets, what all the potential is that exists there, and so we have that and we constantly update that as a company, but there are lots of resources out there, but first, just make sure that you're listening to trusted, reputable, uh, voices as well, and that work is important.

And that's why we do so much work around financial literacy, right?

Because even what we found is that even in places where they have strong financial literacy programs, very few of them have anything about digital assets.

So a lot of our stakeholder engagement is about trying to help fill and close that, that gap, and I think that that's important, making sure that those resources are more accessible and more readily available to people, that helps with consumer protection.

Um, but that also helps to be able to grow and advance the industry in the category.

So it all, it all works together, but just go to reputable places and sources and engage that way.

And like I said, Cleve, you are a wonderful resource.

You do a lot of work, right, to, to, to be that for folks and for our community in particular and then on the crypto.com side, Crypto.com University is a wonderful resource.

And please tell the audience again how to, you know, you mentioned the app is a place to find, you know, crypto Crypto.com University.

Can they find it online as well and how can they follow your, your journey?

Yup, crypto.com, uh, you can go to the website.

Uh, there are resources there and then all of the same things are, are in the app also.

Wonderful.

Well, Kevin, thank you so much for joining us.

Any final thoughts as we wrap up?

So I would just again just like to say thank you, thank you for all that you do to advance the mission and advance the cause and, and to not just make sure that the industry is successful, but also make sure that the industry, showing that the industry can be successful and equitable at the same time, that the two are not.

That, uh, work, that the two don't work against each other.

Um, they can actually complement each other and should complement each other, uh, very well.

So thank you for all that you do and continue to do and the only thing that I will say is I encourage people to continue to, to learn, to read, to listen.

To seek out those resources because this is very much a part of our future and I mean, you know, what I heard, what I said earlier, right?

We've already lived through a digital divide.

Let's not live through a digital assets divide.

Let's make sure that we're being intentional about bringing folks along as the industry continues to mature and develop, and we are proud of the efforts that we do here at Crypto.com.

To advance that mission, uh, and I'm honored to, to be a part of it.

So thank you for letting me spend some time to just talk a little bit today.

Well, Kevin, you know, as a crypto industry executive, you hold yourself to such a high bar, and the work that you do is so, so important, not only because, you know, it's about, you know, competitiveness, it's about education and access and financial inclusion and consumer protection.

But because we need, we're growing an industry that is representative of everyone and the work that you do, you seek to ensure that.

So excited to work with you on the upcoming Policy House.

To our audience, special thanks to all of our butterscotch kings and queens out there. for joining us for this important conversation.

As you know, our podcast is now also accessible on FinTech TV, so check us out there, and all of our episodes, season 1 and 2, are available on your favorite platform.

Thank you, our audience.

Thank you, Kevin, and have a great day.

Awesome.

Thank you.